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I used to be wiccan, then turned pagan, and then new age...and now after everything, I'm Christian. I was an equal opportunity worshipper, and did no discriminate between the deities. From what I know, the Wiccan deities and the Christian deity "God" are NOT one and the same. They are very different. Very. In short, Wicca worships the creation, and the energy that is in every living and nonliving being. Christianity worships the Creator. You can not merge the two faiths and still be truly of both faiths, because Xtianity condemns the craft. In the Bible, it is condemned as spiritual prostitution. One which I was very guilty of. Since I turned to Jesus, he's been calling me to get rid of all of my craft and new age materials and told me to put my faith in HIM, and that with HIM, I will find everything I need.

Xtianity: Let HIS will be done. WIcca: Let MY will be done.

The God of Israel is the TRUE God. I know I will be attacked for saying that, but this is what I've learned from my spiritual walk. Once in touch with the LORD, you will know he's real, and that he loves you. But when I was Wiccan/Pagan/New-Ager, I did not feel the LORD's prescence. I did, however, feel another prescence, which wasn't outwardly evil so to speak, but it's extremely weak compared to Xtian God.

Surrender yourself to Jesus, and give up the quest for power. I think this is crucial in order to have thriving relationship w/Christ: you really have to surrender to HIM in your heart and ask Him to lead you, and trust in Him completely. In the end, the will of the LORD will be done and we will share in his glory.

God Bless, and I wish all of your luck in your spiritual journey.

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anybody who commented on here who is a christian: if you're so against Wicca, why did you come on to this website in the first place? i mean come on. it looks to me like you're not trying to save people, but to pick on and persecute people who have a different belief system than you. seriously... have some respect for other people. and another thing: you say that Witchcraft is evil, but who starts these wars going on in the world? ahem... CHRISTIANS! im not trying to sound ignorant but seriously, stop and think. leave us "sinners" alone and find something better to do than sitting here and trying to "save" us. we believe what we believe, you do what you do. simple as that.

I come from a devout Christian family, as I am Christian also. I am interested in becoming a Wiccan, which I have been before when I was younger, but wasn't exactly able to commit to it quite well at that early of an age. So, as i begin my quest again, I am questionable on the worshiping of a God/Goddess Is it possible for a Wiccan to worship God Almighty of the Christian form? I just want that direct answer that I cannot quite seem to find: yes or no...

Wiccans do believe in a God. We are the oldest of all (Western Religions). Our ideas, faith comes from God. We are a Positive ENERGY people. Wars, you say Wars? Christians, Islamists, muslums,hmm, wonder why, get a hint? Thankyou.

Merry Meet, Hello, as you can tell already I am Wiccan and VERY proud of it. I am out of the "broom closet", though this does not sit well with my Christian family parts. I personally beleive that we are all right, as we are all seeking our God. Whatever form, he/she might take. There are many many misconceptions about wicca. The biggest one is that we are not monalithic. We are, when you get right down to the nitty gritty we are very single God/dess minded. We beleive that there is one true power. That all things stem from that and where created by that one true power. We have a brawder mind as far as our creator is concerned, there is where the misunderstandings start. We beleive that our creator is in everything all around us. Therefor we hold reveance for all things. This also is why we have "many names" for our creator. I beleive that it states in the Bible that God said he goes by many names. So in all actuallity I don't see where this can be concidered wrong. We call apon our creator according to the aspect in which we need help from. To better concetrate our "god given gifts" to the exact purpose. I will admit that some, well most, of our younger fallowers are a bit mixed up as far as this concept goes. Unfortunatly this is also where most get there examples from. This does a great injustice to my faith. There are many many who, (although most do not practice openly for fear of loosing thier jobs or respect of the comunity in general), are much better examples of what we are truelly about. I agrre with whoever it was that said that most of the anger and injustice comes from fear of the unknown. Becasue if you were to truely try and find out what we are REALLY about you would find that we differ very little from "Christianity". We all worship our God, (beleive it or not it's the same one, for there is only one true God, that is undeniable). We all seek devine guidance and understanding. We all beleive in the same basics of right and wrong. We are all taught tolerance, and compashion. Even if we don't practice it. We were all put here for the same reasons, and with the same set of rules to fallow. This being lo9ve your God above all else. This concept or like mindedness has been pretty badly abolished over time. Due to many reasons I will not get into. For the sake of trying to keep this peacful. But I will say that you can not judge one by the actions of many. This is not what my creator had in mind when she lovingly placed me on this Earth. I don't beleive either that she meant for us to fear her, or live in fear every day of our lives for things that even in the Bible state as the fact that we are human and there for flawed. If she wanted us perfect mindless drones to just fallow her blindly with out using the minds she gave us, then she would have made us that way to start with. But obviously this is not the case. She gave us free will. For a reason. She gave us questioning minds for a reason. So that we could each seek our own path to her. She made us all think differantly, and this is why therer are so many paths. But no one of us is any more right than any other. You walk your path, I walk mine and so on and so forth. This is what a true wiccan beleives. I have been a "closet" or otherwise wiccan for over 7 yrs, now. I know from my own personal path that there are losts of ways to loose your way. I started on this path origionally for all the wrong reasons. Which I suspect is the case with most of us who fallow the "craft". Mostly at first it is just to balk in the face of Christianity. Yes I said it, and I am only telling the truth. I could not stand the examples of Christian behavior, I had been givien for the majority of my life. Up to and including that my mother was excomunicated from a Souther Baptist Church because she left my step father after finding out that he had been sexually abusing me for the last 5 yrs of my young life. This is just one example of many, from several differant churches that I just could not stomache any more. So I truned to something completly differant. The problem there was I origionally did it out of a strong dislike for God. So obviously I found myself lost and noit knowing where to turn. I went in the closet for many yrs. not exactly being wiccan but absolutly not claiming Christianity either. I called myself a spiritualist during this time. Now however I am seeking God, I want a personal relationship with my creator. I am going down the path that I feel deep in my heart as being what is truely right for me. I have alot to learn yet, as learning is a never ending proccess. One I take on with great hunger now in my elder years. (I'm 37 btw) I do not exclude any releigion in my seek for the truth. I study all and so far in my finding I have not found a great deal of differance when it comes to most religions. This I find great peace in knowing, for this brings hope that some day we will all find peace with each other. If not peace then at least tolerance. This btw is a fundamental of wicca to it's core. We are respectful and peacful people. We try in all or human capasity to love and respect all as we are all created and baring the same creator. For my fellow wiccans that have responded here before me, please rmember to keep the peace. Our greatest argument is the fact that we are peacful and as so many of our brother and sister Christians have stated to me, there is not peace in the devil. So to all I bid Bright Blessings to you and your's. Blessed Be!

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I would say I have leanings towards Wicca and similar beliefs. If anything I would be a solitary witch as I do not participate in a coven. I don't really practice though, as I am more interested in the way of life than magik. I have never felt any desire to be Christian but I feel that there is a higher power, but I do not personify it into a God. Christianity never made sense to me. I didn't need all those commandments to know how to be a good person. Do other people? I don't think so- I think it's just so easy to be told what to do- hence Christianity.

I feel the divine within me- in everything. Someone wrote here that people become Wiccan because it gives them power. Well, in a way, yes it does. Being Wiccan means you take responsibility for your actions and you find the divine power within yourself to guide you to be the best person you can be. I find Christianity patronising. I am well educated and I have be taught to analyse not to follow.

Isn't the whole point of holding beliefs to enable us to be the best we can be as people and to live fulfilling lives and to care for ourselves, others and the world we live in. So many aspects of Christianity seem determined to control and restrict people and force them to be happy about it because that's what God says is the right thing to do...and if you don't, watch out for the devil, he'll send you running back!! I refuse to live a life in fear.

Just my thoughts...

one never had read a bible and never will as there’s no need to I’ve never prayed because it’s a waste of time I’ve never been baptized and never will Firstly I don’t like thous people that go to houses and on the street handing paper of Jesus stuff if some one want’s to believe in Jesus they will I have my own religion which is a free spirit if you believe in magic it will happen believe in your self and be kind to all as god is in all thing small and big

I'm a Wicca and I have some statments i wish to address.

"we dont belive in the devil." Not entirly true. I think that "evil" thoughts like hate has manafested as a spirit we can call a devil.

"you just make up what you like." Every thing that I use in my religion I meditated on. Some things came by "devine" insperation.

"you belive your sepret from God" and "you dont ask God for help in your life." Not true. I go though life knowing in my hart and mind that God in all of s/he's infenite forms are a part of me, my life, and the univers. When I need devine help I quite my mind and listen for it.

"what religion is true?" All and none. In my oppention all religions have holes but if they did not then we would not need faith.

"you dont belive in the Bible." and "but the Bible said this." and "the Bible is just a book of no worth" The idea of a Bible is not the bad thing just what some have done to it. It is not the Word of God i have a prob with but the hand of man. The Bible dose have good moral storys and teachings but i do not feel it should be read blindly.

"if you pry to Jesus you'll be saved." who ever said i never prayed to Jesus? I have and you know what? Well im not telling that is a privet matter between me and him.

Bright Blessings

I am interested in learning more about the covens that practice sexual rites. I am an openminded christian who loves the earth and those things we cannot see, but believe in because of faith....some of what I have learned of wicca fits very well into my christian beliefs, but I am still skeptical of the covens who practice sexual rites. I have never been to a ceremony so I only know what I am told. It does seem to me that while wicca and christianity can comfortably co-exist, the jury is still out on sexual majik.

Are sexual majik rites merely justification of sex outside monogamous relationships? Do true wiccan believers truly believe in sexual majik as "good majik". What is the basis.....why do some coven practice these rites and others don't. Which covens are more prevalent?

I am not looking for criticism or chastising. I am looking for answers and wellgrounded opinion. Thanks

Bright Blessings to all. I am a 40 year old wiccain. After reading all that has been said here all I have to say is People fear what they do not understand. I have studied world history and religions for more than 30 years. The death and pursucution of so many come down to one common factor,Fear, fear of what they do not understand. Much by up bring or culture, mostly ignorance.

i find all these things interesting. I mean everything that i have read is interesting but also entertaining.

I am a christain just to make that known. What i noticed alot of in here is that alot of people don't seem to realize that Catholics are Christian. So why do you say " catholics and christain?" when all you need to say is christain. I'm not catholic but i know just about everything there is to know abotu the catholic church because i was baptized in it. I'm protestant because i beleive in a few things different from catholics. But what really matters is that we believe in the same God and in Jesus. Thats why we are called Christain.

Now on to the topis Wicca. I have a friend that I just recently found out is wiccan. this didn't all together shock me and i don't know why. But i decided to study wicca so that i can understand her beliefs. its a very interesting religion in my opinion. I understand well that wicca and satanism are different. I have also studied satanism. But i find wicca also very confusing. I believe most people turn to wicca because they believe they are gaining power. You can choose your own gods and make them up as i have read in wiccan books. you beleive that the goddess is in everything, that explains why alot of you are vegetarian. I noticed that wicca has alot of similarities with other religions.

what i did notice is that wiccans try to live life completely independant of God. The craft is self-centered and encourages people to depend on there selves and the power within.

John 15:5 " For apart from me you can do nothing "

Now some of you have said that christians are very judgemental and you are tired of us talking bad about you. Now i do not talk bad about people of any religion different from mine. I'm friends with people of many different religions. But you are right. Alot of christians are judgemental. It is a sad thing because we are taught not to be. For all of you that have come across those people i am sorry. But everyone makes mistakes.

I don't mean to offend anyone that practices wicca because i believe alot of you people are good people. but only one religion can be right. Of course i believe mine is because i am christian. All i do is study pther religions and then mine and i coem to beleive that christianity makes so much more sense then any other. I don't mean to put you down but in my opinion It makes so much more sense to worship a God that we don't make up ourselves. As i have read some wiccans believe that they can make up their own god. Why would someone worship or believe in a God they make up?

Someone can say that my God is made up but there are so many things that back him up. I also believe it is so wrong for you to not beleive that Satan is real. He is very real and he loves those who do not follow God. So those who say they are not going to believe in God, you are falling right into Satan's trap. He doesn't care if you don't believe in him but he does not want you to believe God.

Now i know this is going to bother some of you. But remember i don't mean to offend you at all! this was meant for us all to say what we believe, correct?

The Bible does say in several places we are not to follow the craft. So yes i believe your religion is very old because even in the Bible it speaks of it. But it also says that those who follow the craft will not be in Heaven. I beleive this is true. even though many of you are good people that doesn't matter. because in Christianity we believe that God is the only one we should be worshipping and putting our faith in him. it says in the Bible that the only way is His way. It also says that without him we shall perish. Yes God loves everyone and he would like everyone so much to come and be in Heaven but if you put your faith in the created and not the Creator then you don't deserve to be in Heaven. None of us really deserve to be there but when Jesus died in the cross it all changed. So now those that believe in Him and what he did for us will be able to go to Heaven.

I really do beleive that those who do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God will not go to Heaven. But i'm saying this in a bad or mean way. I feel very sad for those who do not go. God is also sad because its peoples decisions that separate themselves form Him. He gives people the freedom of choice.

Yes the Bible was written by man but the men who wrote the Bible were given permission by God to write everything in it. They were all guided by God. nothing in the Bible i believe is wrong. Whe i put my faith in Him everything changed. My personality changed. When things get harder for me its because its my own fault. I have realized that when i start following everything God has taught me everything in my life is so much easier and simple. I do go through rough times but if i place my faith in Him and i'm patient i noticed everything gets better.

Someone asked why christains are afraid to die. Well i am not afraid to die. no christain should ever be afraid to die because if someone is christain they are going to Heaven. But you have to realize that just because someone says they are christain does not mean they are. Someone can say they anything they want. like muslim, jewish, hindu, or wiccan. But the only way you are actually one of those is if you believe deep inside your heart and have no doubt what so ever about your religion then you are truely that religion. If you have ver had doubt in your religion maybe you should do some more thinking about whether it is true. Study a religion for yourself and don't judge it just because of the people in it. thats what i do, i study it.

Religion i believe in man made. Only one can be true. So all the others must be made up. So don't get mad about anything i have written please because all i am doing is writing what i believe. I don't mean to offend anyone. This entire thing is for people to write what they believe so why are people bashing everyone? Why are some people talking bad about other beleifs? i don't believe i have at all. But if someone feels i have then i am deeply sorry because that wasn't my intention. I was just writing my beliefs and feeling.

Our modern english alphabit is only 375 years old, there were older alphabits with 19 letters, 21 letters and 23 letters. at the time of the bible 2000 years ago there was no j or u letters in the alphabit, (missing letter j part one).there could not have been a john the baptist, or jesus, the truth is taught in first grade how could someone grow up so stupid with the basics of first grade english or earth science?.

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Napolean once said, "what is history, but a fable agreed upon." before we argue about what did or didn't happen. Please remember 2000 years or 80-100 generations of opinion has led all religions to a point where none can be true.

It seems we all agree that Jesus did exist, whether as man or something more divine. But 2000 yrs of perversion by man, greedy kings and ambitious church leaders has left the true spirit of christianity lost in the past.There now exists so many different denominations of christianity that cant accept each other, how would they ever accept other religions. Dont be fooled into thinking that the atrocities committed long ago in the name of christianity are any different to the wars that are fought today (politics is religiuos based). I am a beleiver in god, jesus and christianity, but not in the church that supposedly represents it, a power and greed based empire, forcing its ideals on the weak minded. I appologise if I've offended.

Just a quick comment, Islam is not the worlds oldest religion. In fact Hinduism is. Islam is not even the worlds oldest monotheistic religion, Judaism is, and then Christianity, and then Islam...that insight of yours was so wrong I just thought I would let you know. Mohammud wasn't even born until 500something C.E and his flight to Medina, which marks the first day of the first year of the Islamic calender, isn't until 612 or somewhere around there.

I personally have studied wicca, as all religions and peoples reactions to them interest me greatly, and I've come to the same conclusion as most of you on here have, the true follower of any religion is tolerant because they have the understanding that if God wanted us to all be the same and worship him the same way, he would have done that in the first place.

Blessed Be All Who Believe In All They Will Believe In

Why are there so many followers of Wicca who were brought up Catholic on this site???

I am not a wicca im a satanist but im not evil and neither are wiccas if anyones evil the x-ians are i love my wiccan bretheran dearly. And we both parctice majic whether it be wiccan harvest magic or satanic alchemy or necromancy it's all the SAME except for x-ians they are mean and pursicute me and my satanic, wiccan, and atheist bretherin.

hello to you all, I am a pagan that is 44 years old, one that has observed our world, spiritually and physically, one that potentially has become a world that will collapse under the strain of all of our discontent.The lazyness of government, the one mindedness of faiths that ignore the one true essence of our existence, and that is the fundemental rule of any god, "LOVE" without this there is no faith.I teach my two sons the wonder of our world, and to be at peace with everything and everyone in it, to be true to their belief, a belief i have never forced upon them,but to show them how unique we are, then to be amazed whilst listening to their philosophy of what they have grasped from the teachings of mother earth and father sky, these children are 12 and 8 we could learn so much from their purity. mother nature will decide our future, natural selection will decide our future, as non believers the believers of wealth over health have poisoned our air, our rivers, and the weakminded. Be true to yourself whatever your faith, but please dont murder your brother in spite of it

bless you all JAH

I have been studying wicca and alike for a few years now. I do not yet call myself a Wiccan but I hope that I will soon be ready for that commitment.

Firstly I would just like to piont out that I am no religous or history expert, everything I am about to say comes purely from what I have learnt from a number of books and websites, and my personal interpritations of those.

As I see it, no two wiccans are the same, wicca is a personal path. Satanism is not however part of the Wiccan tradition. No matter how many times we say it I don't think Christians will beleive it. But I would like to point this out,in Christianity wasn't satan the first creation of God? I am not sure if this is recorded in the bible, but I have read about it on some historical websites. Apparently satan was the first and wisest creation of God and when he fell from heaven he took 200 angels with him. Although you beleive that God himself has no "bad" in him, surely the fact that satan is a creation of God is a point worth considering. In many religions there is always bad in good and viceversa. Look at the ying and yang...each part is equal lightness and darkness, but each containing a small part of the other. (ie: the saying....take the good with the bad)

Someone here was saying something about Christ leading us to the light. We do not need to be lead to the light. Wiccans know right from wrong (not saying that Christians do not) and are prepared to take full responsibility for their actions, I'm not sure that anyone who isnt can really call themself a wiccan. This also aplies to the devil, we do not need a dark figure to scare us away from bad, or to temp us to do wrong. We are just like anyone else and we do get tempted to do something that may not be "right", but like i said before, we wear that, and we know it will return to us threefold (the threefold law).

I was raised as a Catholic. When I discovered wicca and decided is was the right path for me I wanted a way to include God who I was so familiar with. I now realise that this is just not posible. Although we stand for many of the same things (I know many of you don't agree but I honestly beleive we do, love, respect and compassion), Christians belive in Satan, and continuing to follow that religion would be admitting that Satan is real to me, he is not.

Saying that, I do beleive that religion is a personal experience, and if it is right for you to combine the two, then so be it. I respect anyone no matter their religion. If they wish to tell me about it I will listen, if they want to hear about my believes I will tell them (unless they want to use it to critisize), but I will not try to convert anyone.

To those wiccans who have posted angry messages, please be calm. It is only ignorance that seperates us from others. To Christians who think poorly of us, I am not asking you to understand, you dont have to, but please accept and tolerate. I think we are all forgeting something that we are all taught...COMPASION!

If you have found a path that you connect to, whatever that path may be, congrats...faith is a beautiful thing.

Again, All I have said comes from personal research and personal interpretaions. Sorry if i have offended anyone, and thanks for reading.

A lot of people are argueing about how there religion is right. Some people saying Islam is true or Christianity true or Wiccan true. Now, it would be nice if one was but in all we can find things that cant be thought of as true, Islam is a religion predictated on bloodshed, "One day of war against the enemies of Allah is better than 77 days of prayer," Christianity is a religion so mired in politics and blind faith that it seems unable to take into account empirical judgement, and Wiccan is so difuse as to be a religion which people cna choose what they believe. Arnt all these religions just trying to reach towards a greater divinity that we dont, mayeb cant understand. Rather than argueing about which is true we should be looking at all religions and seeing what the have to say with reference to this known but unknown divineness

Hey #349 Hope your doin ok. You sounded quite p off in your email. It sounds like you've been hassled by christians a lot. Well, Im a christian too. But Ill try not to hassle you. I don't agree with some of your comments, if your interested in what I have to say.. post again. I don't know anything about Wicca apart from what I've read tonight so I can't make comment. I am new to this kind of dialogue. Its interesting.. cheers Emz

right.... ppl.. u can go on and on about w/e u want 2... but the fact is that Christian/Catholic ppl(not all, but most) tell me 2 denounce my religion(Wicca) and when i tell them 2 bugger off and not tell me wat 2 do... then i'm seen as an(and i quote)' evil witch whom God shall strike down and will never be accepted into heaven'... wtf????

btw.. i personally find that any1 who tries to say their religion is superior needs to be given a nice, swift kick right up the arse!

Blessed Be

i honestly think you make your own god....you take what you want to believe and put it there....you could believe what you are told maybe when youre a child or you could think that isnt enough for me....you could explore all the options in the world and you could stumble along something you agree with....sometimes i think christianity...and im not anyone to say its wrong....i support christians full way.....i sometimes think it is the over riding religion that people may choose because its out there more....everyone knows the bible.....you swear on it in court....you say the pledge under god....and thats what our for founders believed (america)....its just popular and i sometimes think that its just the most chosen for that....and believe it or not...all religions have some government in them one way or another....n its true....its honest truth....but down to the end its what you believe....wiccans arent going to think theyre going to hell if they dont believe in one.....duh....i think pushing your religion on someone is the worst thing you can do....and theyre going to defend themselves....someones faith is what they hold....jews, christians, wiccans whatever.....you have freedom of speech....but dont mess with someones religion and bash them and expect not to be bashed back.....everyone might as well give it up....but we know thatll never happen....were so head strong..... p.s. ive been a wiccan for 6 years...my uncle n cousin are....i was origionally going to a catholic church and even later baptist....i dont think less of anyone....and i hope no one else does..... blessed be all

Religion is the Devil's greatest achievement. In the guise of religion he has pulled off his most audacious coup. He has flagarantly masqueraded as God. He has had us bow down and worship him. He has had us commint every type of evil in the name of holiness. He has passed off his bigotry as God's opinions. He has had us segragate humanity into the 'ins' and 'outs', believers and non-believers, the saved and the damned. He convinced us that God likes us but not them. And convinced them that God likes them and not us. And then, in a stroke of dark brilliance, he warns his faithful flock of sheep. "Be sure you do not pay heed to anyone but me, for the Devil is a wily wolf and he will surely trick you." In a world seething with insecurity he offers certainty. He convinces his disciples that they, and they alone, know how it is. Blinded by opinion, they no longer see the reality of the Mystery. They commit the only true blashpemy by conflating the relative with the Absolute. Inflated with feelings of specialness, they willingly enlist into the Devil's elite corps of martyrs and murderers, ready to die and kill for concepts and catchphrases. All for a promised pay day cunningly put off until the afterlife. Certainty divides us. Doubt unites us. We all have different ways of seeing life, which is not surprising since we each have a unique experince of it. But there is one thing that, if we are completely honest, we can all agree about-we can't find concepts big enough to express the enormity of life.

True Christians ARE NOT intolerant out of love for God and their fellow man. True Christians realize that out of love for their God and fellow man there is NO room for intolerance. They realize, just as it is taught Jesus did, that we all walk different paths and have different experiences but it isn't intolerance that brings a man to God, it is tolerance, it is love, it is compassion, it isn't converting and belittling. I don't think you realize that God is something more than just what your one religion says He/She is. Life is so much more than as it is explained in the Bible. If you look at the Bible as it is supposed to be taken, as a guide and not as law, you will begin to understand that you are not different nor are you better than your Wiccan or Pagan brothers and sisters. You are simply trying to answer the same questions to life as they are and taking a separate path that leads in the end to the same God. I believe I may have put this once before but I am going to put it again for clarity....

God has made different religions to suit different aspirants, times and countries. All doctrines are only so many paths; but a path is by no means God Himself. Indeed one can reach God if one follows any of these paths with whole hearted devotion... One may eat a cake with icing either straight or sidewise. It will taste sweet either way. (Ramakrishna, The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna)

TRUE Christians are intolerant out of love for the Lord and their fellow man. Most fail to realize that when we as children of God express our belief in truth strongly to others, that it is because God wants NO ONE to perish, not because we are on some power trip on whose right or wrong. So it is up to us to share the Gospel (in love) and lead others to Christ. I realize there are people that have had bad experiences with church and so called "christians", but it is one thing to be a "christian" and another thing to be a disciple of Jesus. I do not judge anyone, that is God's job to do that. However, I am called to obey and share truth with everyone. I can't help what RELIGION has done to make a mess out of God's word and love. The "religious" people are the ones who crucified Christ, do not forget that. Another thing never to forget...just because you have miracles in your life or supernatural things happen around you does not mean it is God. Satan can operate anywhere, even in church. And to those who do not believe in the devil...his best trick is to convince you that he does not exist...

Have you ever wondered why so many Islamic people are bombing and killing innocent people and spreading a message of hatred and intolerance? Have you ever wondered if you are just as arrogant as those of the Christian religion for claiming you know all the answers and in reality you know just as little if not less than others, and why because you choose to not learn about anything other than what is in your perfect little box. Let me tell you where the Wiccan religion came from, the foundations of the Wiccan religion were constructed by two very major men in the occult world, Gerald Gardner and Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley ran a sacred order compiled of freemasonry, tantra and other european magic called the O.T.O. of which Gardner was a member of. Gardner used the format of the ceremonial magic he learn from being in that group. As well as he used the things he learned from the many Witches covens of the British Aisles. As for the Goddess and God of Wicca, anyone who opens a book on mythological history can see that for centuries people have believed in a Mother Goddess and her God. No Wicca has nothing to do with the Islamic religion so please imply that it does.

Have any of u ever thought that maybe Islam is the right religion, and that it can be proven. Have u guys ever wondered who created the earths and the heavens or even how we plead in God when our loved ones are in danger or how it is the fastest religion in this planet. Have u guys ever wondered that Islam is the oldest religion and that there are signs of everything the mankind does in the Holy Book. Have u ever wondered y some christians say Jesus is the son of God or God himself!!! Knowing that hez just a messenger from God asking us to convert to Islam and that the last Prophet is Mohammed. And ask urself where did this Wicca religion come from!? and how a normal human being spread falsehood into this world!

i am a 19 year old wiccan. I was raised in a strict christian family and to this day they do not know that i practice the craft. i do not think that it matters what religon you are and who knows what you practise, as long as you yourself is happy. Most people change their religon many times, until they find the right one. I do think that we should not critisise one anothers religions, because if someone belives firmly in their religon then they must be happy and fulfilled so let them be. i think it is disgusting that there is actually a site where you write about and critisise one anothers religons. you are probably thinking, well why is she writing in here, because id like to get a message through to you people, thats why. My family doesnt belive in anythig else other than christianity, if i was to tell them i was wiccan then they would probably disown me. I do not tell them because i dont think it should matter if they know or not. if they do find out, i will not care. I will always love them, no matter what. if people know that im wiccan, they know, if they dont then they dont. who cares? Not me, and that is all that should matter. I do think though that your partner should definately know about your religon, but that goes without saying. Your partner is someone you share everything with and is should also not matter what religon they are. They could be a satanist and you could be wiccan, someone who does not belive in satan at all, and it could still work, if..... you keep your religions to YOURSELF. DO NOT PREACH YOUR RELIGION, AND DO NOT CRITISISE OTHER PEOPLES RELIGONS!!!!! It annoys me when i see this sort of thing happening because that is not what the rules in your religons accept. If you do this then you must not be a true, whatever you are, unless your reigion permits it! It upsets me to see all these people sprucing about religions other than your own. If it is not your religion, then you should know nothing much about it, so shut up and let alone. Just love everyone for who they are, not their religon. I urge u to leave everyone alone.

What you see on most of this feedback is from young wiccans and pagans and they, no offense to them, have a tendency to see Wicca and Paganism as it is written down in the latest Silver Ravenwolf book. The honest truth is though that Pagans and Christians yes have the same doubts and considerations about their faiths and the more experienced pagans have gone through the same feeling that any other religion would go through about their deities. It is not something that is specifically given to one religion but all religions have it. Real Pagans don't claim to have all the answers and the truth is we don't want to. We do say that we are learning everyday and have so much more to still learn. What you percieve on these feedbacks are not how all Wiccans and Pagans are. We all have doubt we all have times of testing our faith, but like in Christianity, that's why it is called faith.

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wow it is a real pleasure to know poeple in aus still exersise their minds. however i feel the true religion witch is unamable and undescribable in its entirity is being diluted by preverts and devients. i plead with all my innocent and rightous brothers and sisters to only trust their instincts and welcome with caution new comers. beware the the beast that lurks within man. peace pimpdaddy(AUS)

I would like to thank you for a beautifully understanding look into what Wicca is. I do have a small concern, on your last essay you were talking about making people right with God through love and compassion. While I agree that this is the teachings of the Christ, are you implying that instead of bashing others for their choice in religions, you should rather persuade them to Christianity through kindness. While this is a much more rational way to go about things, did you ever consider that we as pagans just don't want to be Christians at all, yes we would love to be friends with you but do we need to be Christians to do that? By all means you are right in when you say Christians should actually be Christ Followers and try to act in accordance to the way Christ did, but I don't think this should be to get as many people into Christianity as possible, but maybe to just form a better unity within yourselves and a better understanding for the many other religions that surround you. I might have interpretted your essay wrong, if I did please forgive me, I mean no offense to what I have said. But you did do a wonderful job at trying to be understanding and compassionate and I do thank you for that.

On another note, if any of the posters that have been giving feedback are still reading the feedbacks, how many of the Christians that are retorting are over the age of 18 and how many Wiccans are under the age of 18? Cause I have noticed a lot of 14 year old Wiccans in here. It disturbs me that any adult would find satisfaction with arguing with a child when they know that children don't actually know a lot about the world. Isn't it written "When I was child I thought as a child but when I became a man I put away my childish things," a lot of these Wiccans that are replying, no offense to you who are Wiccan and replying, are children, they think as children, if you are an adult you have a different level of thought from them, well some of you do some of you are down right childish, so why argue with them. If you want to argue and point fingers at someone of another religion, please don't attack children, at least go to the adults for your debates. I am one adult and have been pagan for 9 years and studying other religions including Christianity for a while now, so if you feel you need to retort in any way feel free to email me and I will be happy to discuss Paganism and Christianity as adults.

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A question for Wiccans and NeoPagans:

I hear a lot of you criticising Christians for the trust we place in mediated experience, ie in ancient sacred texts and the teachings of a guy who lived 2000 years ago.

I have a question: Have you ever experienced doubt in the course of your journey? Gone through that dark night of the soul? A down time when spirit seemed illusive?

How do you deal with the experience of doubt given your pathway is so reliant on direct experience? Do you trust such doubt experiences and take them to their ultimate conclusion? Or do you sometimes doubt your doubts? Can you conceed that sometimes we lack sufficient experience, that sometimes we need to move beyond personal experience?

Can you appreciate that sometimes others, wise ones of great depth perhaps, have gone way beyond us and sometimes we need to trust their experience more than our own? Who are the wisest and most trustwothy ones you know? Is it really so objectional that Christians like myself place great trust in the experiences of Christ?

I have no problem with personal experience. I treasure it. But is it enough? I'd be interested in your honest response.

Let's start with the Holy Trinity, the Trinity is represented differently in many other cultures such as Hindu, Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian, they all had their Trinities which carried very great similarities. Even in modern Masonry the Diety is symbolized by an equilateral triangle representing the Eternal One who is Himself represented as a tiny flame. They got the concept of the Trinity by watching the sun. They believed the sun had three phases, rising midday and setting. God the Father, is represented by the dawn, God the Son , the One sent to bear witness of His Father and God the Holy Ghost, then it vanishes into the darkness of the lower world and later rises victorious over the dark. Those who chronicled the life and acts of Jesus found it advisable to turn him into a solar diety and nearly all the incidents recorded in the New Testament about Jesus have their correlation in the movements, phases, of functions of the heavenly bodies. Christians borrowed the story of the beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God, robed in white and carrying the Lamb of God, symbolic of the vernal equinox. Which is also known in pagan cultures as Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus, Mithras, etc.

Now some pagan traditions start the birth of their god at the time of the winter solstice, this is when the Sun God is symbolized as an infant in danger but mysteriously and divinely manages to escape the evil that seeks to destroy him. At the vernal equinox, he becomes a beautiful youth and at the summer solstice a strong man heavily bearded. At autumn equinox he is an old man shuffling along into the darkness of winter again. Making it 12 months that the sun marched around the zodiacs.

The sun was seen as the one true light, “which lighteth every man who cometh to it” If you read John 3:16-21, you will see that Jesus is portrayed as the one true light and whomever comes to him shall find salvation and have eternal life in the light of God. The sun was perceived to raise all things from the dead, feed the hungry multitudes, and rise again after death.

Now pagans celebrate the 25th of December as the birthday of the Sun God. Which was born of a Virgin goddess, (Isis, Astraea, etc.), just as Jesus was born of the virgin mother Mary. According to Arabian astronomers the three stars that form Orion’s belt are the Magi who came to worship the Sun God at his birth.

Pagans had considered three centers of activity that appear to be the three main parts of life for the human body, the brain, the heart, and the generative system. There are three tabernacles of Jesus, the largest is the heart with the smaller two the brain and generative system on either side of it.

As well the death and ressurection of Jesus is shared with many other dieties such as Odin, Osiris and so on.

I know I know, you will argue that all of this is false psychobable but you know what I didn't make this stuff up. It is a part of researching things outside of what is bias to your faith. I was once a Christian and I was once Wiccan, now I am just Pagan. The point is that no matter how much you try to deny it we all have common connections. I don't believe that Christianity is the one true way for me just I don't believe that my way is the one true way for anyone else.

By the way the burning times did not have anything to do with witches in the first place. As a matter of fact the Catholic Church at that time knew of the pagans in their community and they allowed them to have their own faiths because they knew it would not harm them and it wouldn't change their status in the community. The true reason for all the executions had nothing to do with the church in the first place, the towns people and even the officials took it into their own hands to kill all those people and not because they were witches but because they fell under these categories:

1. They were outsiders; 2. They had good land and/or wealth coveted by others; 3. They were outcasts of the community; 4. They were hermits; 5. They were outspoken against leaders; 6. They had different ways and/or beliefs than their community.

A lot of those people were of Christian faith.

I think what has been lost in all of this arguing about which path is right is the true reason that any of these paths were set down in the first place. Our deities are their to teach us and guide us. They have taught us that we must love one another as a mutual species. Can you honestly tell me that your God or Gods are somewhere right now whether it be in heaven or within yourself and saying yay for you you tell those pagans or you tell those christians off for not believing what you believe. One thing that the deities silently try to express is the need to co-exist with each other no matter what our views may be.

"Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together? How can Christ and the Devil agree? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? How can God's temple come to terms with pagan idol's? For we are the temple of the living God!"

What's really depressing is that I am a pagan, It makes me sad to see that your own God would tell you to discard someone just like animals because they don't believe the same way you do. I guess this is why Pagans and Christians will never see eye to eye, no matter how much some of try.

What I find contradicting is that in this same book it teaches to love you neighbour as yourself. Then it pretty much says but if your neighbour is pagan then forget it. Very contradicting bit of literature.

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"Jesus became the last sacrifice ever needed for mankind to be reconciled to God and to Christ Himself for eternity." (#339)

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." (John 3:16)

During his time on this Earth Jesus did not demand that people "convert to Christianity". He called for people to hear the good news, that God loves each of us. "Love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbour as yourself." Christians, as this article has pointed out, we Wiccans and you have much in common. As these comments have pointed out, we still have a long way to go before we can be reconciled. But as #339 mentioned, Jesus' ultimate sacrifice has reconciled all the world with God, and as that famous Bible quote that you see held up at sporting events states, "God so loved the world". Folks, God loved the world before most of it was Christian. He didn't just love the Jews, he also loved the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Ephesians, the Perians, the Thessalonians, the Babylonians, the Samaritans, (and the Celts, the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, the Chinese, Mongolians, Incans)...in short, THE WORLD. If you want to spread the good news, then spread it. I am not offended when I am told "Jesus loves you". I am offended by, "You're going to Hell, witch!" That's not very good news. It is malicious, and God does not care for malice in mens' hearts. Most Wiccans enjoy religious discussion. We HATE seeing examples of ignorant, blind faith, zeal and hypocrisy. How can you hope to pick out the splinter in your brother's eye if you do not see the log in your own? Read your Bible (all of it!), read a book by Scott Cunningham or Margot Adler, go do your prison and hospital ministry, work in the soup kitchen, go to an Amnesty International meeting, then, when you're all done doing the work that Jesus asked you to do, come preach to me. Show me by your example what it really is to be a true, knowledgeable Christian.

Oh, and to #339, thank you. Goddess bless you too. :)

Hello, i am 17 years old and i too am Wiccan. My mother is christian, my oldest sister is catholic, my dad is christian, and my other 6 siblings are christian. I hate it when other people come up to me and say"Have you cursed anyone htis weekend?" and i tell them no, but this weekend there will be 1 on the list, now whats yer name........omg they can be sooo immature.......

why is it that the most ammusing responses are from thoes that know nothing or very little about wicca? why do u christians bag/insult my beliefs when u dont know what they are? i have an idea. research what wicca is about, and not just what u read on the first internet site u come across. thats what i decided to do way back when. and i found that it was the path that spoke to me best.

think about this. i learned this last night. it might help u accept our choices in life. "look to the rainforrest. what do u see? tree's, animals. many many different speices of both. how do they survive? diversity thats how. if the forrest was filled with ony 1 type of tree and 1 type of animal how long do u think it would survive? it is its diversity that allows it to continue to live and grow. every animal and tree has its purpose, it is there for a reason. why cant the same be said about religion? each religion has its place on this planet. all the religions play its part, like an instrument in a symphony. how boring whould a symphony be with just 1 instrument? think about that b4 u start shooting off about "your religion is the only true religion"

why cant u just accept that people dont always want what u have. we are not evil doers. we are just like u. we pay out taxes, we goto work, we shop where u do. why cant u treat us with the respect we deserve? let ye without sin cast the first stone

not everything the bible says must be stuck to 100% books get outdated.

either way if u want to contact me to speak to/abuse me im at esmerelda1983@hotmail.com

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All

As a friend of the article's author I've been mulling over this material for some time and have put togther a few more challenges related to trance consciousness and alternate states of awareness at http://mattstone.blogs.com/ekstasis/2005/07/mutual_challeng.html

I'm interested in any feedback Christians or Wiccans would like to offer, particularly Wiccans as I do wish to faithfully engage with your ideas on these issues.

Matt

howdy. look, i'm a wiccan.. and as a wiccan, being constantly teased and tormented by Christians and Catholics. and it bites!!! so forgive me if i don't have the most positive attitude towards Christians and Catholics. but, its not that that makes me unhappy, its the fact that IT NEVER CHANGES!!!!! U PPL ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u believe that just because we don't follow 'christ'(i refuse to write that without the quotes, as u do the same with our goddess), u think we are 'going to burn in hell for enternity'!!!!

the real bad thing is, we don't believe in hell, or the devil, or god for that matter, and wiccans are seen as satanists!!!! yet the real satanists are exepted into your society!!!! and you think that because we aren't Christian or Catholic, WE are going to burn in hell!!!!! its pathetic!!!!

also, if u look at all the Chriatian and Catholic holidays, they are amazingly similar to the Wiccan holidays. Look at Christmas=Lithia/Yule, Halloween=Samhain/Beltane. All the Christian and Catholic holidays are just rip off's of the Wiccan Holidays. u all need to grow up, expect it and get over it!!!!! u don't like us. FINE!!!! just stop complaining!!!!!!!!

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hi, i'm a 14 yr old Wiccan girl, living in Perth, Wester Australia, and have been raised into a Catholic Family... kinda. My Mum is Catholic, my Da is Prodestian, both my older sisters are wiccan (24 and 22) and my (autistic) brother is an Atheist(17). my family is very multi religion, abd we don't judge each other. my Da was a little worried when i said i was wiccan, but he got over it.

As a wiccan at school, i always get the really lame-ass questions like 'Did u ride your broomstick today?' ppl really need to get voer it and find someone else to vulture.

Christians and wiccans can co-extist, but the majority of the times, they don't. myself, i have 7 Catholic friends, 5 Christians friends, 1 buddist friend, and myself and 2 other wiccan friends. 1 of the wiccan friends is in the Coven( a group of wiccans practising together).

I was taught wicca at quite a young age. Both my sisters got involved in it in High School, and went to a class about Wicca, then taught me just about everything they knew about Wicca. I was about 10 years old, so i have been a secret wiccan for 2 years, and a open wiccan for 2 years. I was going to a Christian school when i decieded i wanted to be a wiccan, but i couldn't tell my mother, as she was 1 of the teachers there and may find it insulting. When i left the school, i told her i wanted to be like my older sisters, and she was fine with it. Luckily, she didn't ask when i decieded this :D even if she did, i would have lied.

i have to admit, Christian and Catholic holidays, personally, i think are a rip off of Wiccan Festivals. i mean... Christmas=Yule/Lithia ( depends which Hemisphere your in), Halloween=Samhain/Beltane and i think Easter is Laughnasah(luna-sah), but it could be something else. Meh, the point is that all the Christian holidays are VERY close to the Wiccan ones, Coincidence? i think not. Blessed Be

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Wiccans and Christians don't mix at all.

The followers of Christ claim that they are the one true way, and that everyone else is going to burn in hell for eternity. Some are filled with hatred and vanity, accusing Wicca and other religions to be worshipping the "Devil." They do everything in their power and blindness to convert people to their "religion," but yet don't even listen, because ahem Christ is the truth. They claim pray works.. I'm not saying it doesn't, folks. I'm just kinda tired of people moking me other internet.. It seems rather rude to me when someone says "I hope you find Jesus sometime soon." It's like me telling a Christian, "Find the Goddess. She's there. She's inside everyone waiting to come out and touch their soul with magic." Isn't that mocking?

Also, someone said that the Bible was not written by a man, but God. This is not true. A bunch of men wrote it. And plus even though most people can say Wicca is a modern religion, it's been in another form, even before Christianity came about. Yes, people, christianity is not suprisingly the oldest religion.

Another thing, Jesus is not God. He's God's son. It sickens me when people say "Jesus is the Creator" or something like that. Yeah, he's apart of the trinity, but in reality Christians worship Jesus 99% of the time and leave God the 1%.

Practioners of the Craft, however, try to live peaceful, loving lives. THey better their lives with magic (Yes, it works!). But magic is not the main focus of the Craft... There are Wiccans though, that are filled with blinded power and are disgracing our religion. I used to be a Christian. That path was not for me.

Just.. Leave us alone.

Why are we here discussing a book written hundreds of years after the fact _ the old testament was written as a compilation of myths and legends of previous civilisations and the new testament was wrote about a man of whom there is no trace in history - although there are written words about those who have influenced those about them well before the alleged time of the one called christ also were exactely was nazereth in the time of christ and can anyone give me a historical refernce to it bearing in mind that both the romans and the jews were excellent record keepers not to mention the egyptians.

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Do as thy will, Love is the law, Love under will...

We must all control our vehicle as we undertake our particular & personal journeys.

Each religion has it's good intensions & teachings. when we oscilate with this love & goodwill, no matter what the faith, we feel we are in the right place.

A ritual, a spell, a meditation or prayer? If it follows the law then does it really matter? I think not!

I would only warn of that which dictates...

Going back to the 'Challenges to Beliefs' article of 'do no harm'. Lack of action... Is an action! The wiccan term 'If it harm none, do what ye will', still abides. It does NOT mean sit around and watch harm being done to others as suggested. It means no one should harm anyone, either by our actions, or Inactions.

And yes, you can be Christian and Wiccan at the same time. There is obviously history with the two religions, just look at the Salem trials, and the convert or die policies of the Roman church in medieval times, but they are all 100s of years ago way before any of us were born. And don't make the mistake of thinking that the actions of Men acting in God's name (whichever God/s),has anything to do with the actual heart and soul of their religion.

Jesus was a good man who walked the earth 2000 years ago who wanted peace and freedom for his people and fellow man, and unfortunately as many others have, was killed for his actions. That's a FACT! The son of God part is where the beliefs and religous part come in.

So too all Wiican, Christians, Bhuddists, Muslims, Hindu's..... If it harm none, do what ye will. And we'll all prosper in our own and each other's beliefs.

DB.

Wiccans:

I find the comments on this site interesting. For Wiccans one area I would like to explore more is that the Wiccan rede ("do not harm") is understood negatively (I am not harming others), and I wonder if a more positive understanding could be made which would open Wicca up to helping those who suffer more. It is noticable to me that Christians are at the fore-front of Fair Trade, Trade Justice, getting medical facilities to disaster hit areas, and I think the Wiccan rede could be "opened up" more; if I do not help prevent suffering, help those oppressed, then I am passively compliant in harming them, so "do no harm" should also mean, "and let no harm come from my inaction". What do you think?

Bible: Wiccans seem to have the idea that much in the bible is bad, and books which didn't get into the bible are good; this is a kind of reverse fundamentalism, which makes me wonder how much of the negative ideas about creation, and women, they have read in the gnostic gospels. I think the important thing about the bible, as can also be true of any book - even a Wiccan one, although the bible is normative within the Christian tradition, is when it challenges us, and does not (as with Christian fundamentalism) confirm us in a cosy status quo. The attitude seems to be: if it upsets us, lets tame it. So, with whatever books you read, do you read to always confirm your own beliefs, or are you open to challenges to your core beliefs?

I completely agree, if you have such a big problem with us them STOP TALKING ABOUT US! Plain and simple..its rude to talk about other people in this manner...Maybe all we wiccans should team up and make a site bashing Christians..Would you like that??I dont think so...But ya see we are better than that and wouldnt do that..because we unlike you respect other peoples religious beliefs...Maybe..just maybe,,you should practice what you preach...ever read a little thing called the bible??? If I am not mistaken....it does say TO TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED!!!!

Okay,firstly i would just like to say hello to everyone and hope there all well :) Okay secondly with the christain belief [There a wonderful group and everything i have nothing against them] God or jesus say in the bible Believe in me and you will come live in heaven for eternaty.But if you think about it logicly,he is saying Believe in me or go to hell. Now the reasion i'm not a christain is PARTLY for that. I have nothing against the people,due to i have a friend thats a christain but i dont like what god says for them to do.Sins are another thing. Everyone lies,cheats and swears and uses hin name in vain. [I know the sins because my friend has the list on her door. I read them when i go to her house.]Pardon me for saying but what the hell was god thinking when he said these are the 10 rules we HAVE to abide by? We control ourselves,not him,we are our own beings. I am deeply sorry if i offended anyone while reading this but i have to express my opinion and if you cant handle that then you shouldnt`ve read it.Thankyou.

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hello all those who are aposed to wicca, you cannot make a judge ment by what you hear, as i found out. all people around me were saying no to witchcraft because it was BAD! but apon acctually learning myself i have found that they do relate to some christians, but not all. they worship the god and the goddess, allowing some feminen balance to religion, they also have a good and bad side of things, you can choose which side you would like, of course if you choose darkness, karma comes back threefold, anyway, after finding out myself i am proud to say, me and my friend are fully pledged wiccans, now instead of reading my point of view or the others on this page, find out yourself

Firstly, to all the people in general who have written on this sight, voicing their hurt from my christian brothers and sisters in their lives... I ask your forgiveness... You are all very valuable and God loves you dearly. The next thing I want to state is that I believe that there is one true God. I believe that He created the heavens and the earth, every living thing and He created man and woman in His likeness. I believe He sent His son, Jesus, to impart to the world the love of the Father that they were all too blind to see because of their endless selfishness. I believe Jesus was crucified but His life was not taken from Him, He gave it. I believe that, on that day, Jesus became the last sacrifice ever needed for mankind to be reconciled to God and to Christ Himself for eternity. I believe Jesus took the authority (keys) of death and of Hades right from Satan's hands and defeated him. I believe Jesus rose again after 3 days to show us He had conquered death and the grave. I believe Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father (in authority) and that we share in His kingdom inheritance in heaven once we recieve Him as our saviour. I believe I have recieved eternal life - not a metaphor, not a nice thought before death - but a true and loving gift from my Father in heaven. I believe that Jesus washed me whiter than snow from the dark things of this world and that each time I take communion, I fellowship with Christ by breaking bread with Him and recieving the wine. I believe that they are symbols of blood and flesh that remind me of what Jesus has done for all of mankind. I believe that if you can say all of the above, then you know Jesus. If you don't know Jesus, neither He nor I hate you or want to see you 'burned at the stake'. If all roads lead to Jesus, why not go straight to the source? Jesus is the only God I have ever heard of that would come down from heaven, to be made flesh, and serve those He reigns over. What God does that and then dies at the hands of those He wants to serve all so that they can all be reconciled to Him? I'll will stay true to and seek after to be like that man any day. He wants to know and love us all and that calls out loudly to my heart. Bless all of you in Jesus mighty name for speaking out your hearts and being open. Though I don't agree with soem of the write ups, I am glad to see you're not apathetic to the need to search, but I must write that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. Living in Him is to truly live. God bless

I must commend this website at its wonderful, open-minded approach to inter-religious dynamics. Being a pagan growing up in a predominantly Christian society, I know that relations are strained between religions due to certain beliefs and stigma from each side. It is a pleasure to read such tolerant texts. If only other Christian websites felt the same way. Certain Wiccans and other Pagans also tend to have a prejudice against Christianity for reasons of their own, but it's sites like this one that steps forward, to help create a united society! You guys rock.

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I have noticed that although this forum states christian and wicca, that there are a few "Christian Witches" here. (I haven't read all the feedback :))

And that is something important to remember.

There are many forms/Paths of Witchcraft.

The one thing that we can all strive for is better UNDERSTANDING and ACCECPTENCE of each others beliefs regardless of wether or not we agree with each other. If someone wants to think that I'm going to Hell, then fine, let me go there. I'm not going to go out of my way to bring you with me, LOL. But Seriously, If you really want a better understanding of Witchcraft, then learn more about it. You can start with the link http://www.geocities.com/shymichel where you can download a FREE book on Witchcraft. And if you want to know more then you can go and find other books.

But Information is the key.

If we understand each other better, then that takes away the fear of the unknown. Which in turn leads us to a happier co-exsistence. In the end, we're all as confused, and as sure as each other. Just a Thought Shy-Michel

I am actually a spiritualist but this stuff interests me. How can anyone claim to practice both a christian religion and wicca at the same time ? Christian religions are 100 % opposed to wicca and any other pagan based belief systems teaching that pagans burn in hell for eternity if they don't repent. I am not saying this is true - it might be for all I know . I am just saying how can you practice 2 religions which cancel out each other ? You'd either have to be one, the other or neither.

I have read many of the comments posted on this site and i feel that pretty much everbody has given their version of what truth is. However, despite the varying views on truth, there must be and has to be an ultimate truth. An ultimate truth is essential and we cannot exist without it. Without an ultimate truth, there is no good or evil, right or wrong, holy or unholy, it all just blurs into one. There is either a God or there isn't. Christianity is the way or it isn't. Wicca is the key to fulfillment or it isn't. So what is the ultimate truth? Many feel they have found it. But have they got the real deal.

Wicca as the ultimate truth poses a few problems. Firstly it is so young. I don't understand why God would hold out on us for so long, if Wicca is the key to our joy and the completion of our souls. Secondly, it was founded by a man, not God. Thirdly, it seems to have taken a lot of principles of Christianity, and twisted them. It doesn't blantantly oppose the bible but seems to cunningly alter it. Fourthly it does not believe in satan. By taking satan out of the equation then it mean that God is imperfect or has an evil element to his nature. Murder, rape, violence, it must have been created by God if there is no devil. It just doesn't, logically, seem like truth to me.

I haven't really met a person who practises Wicca. So i would like to ask a few questions? When was the last time a spell retored sight to a blind man. When was the last time a spell raised a man to life? When was the last time a spell, defied medical reason and saved a 5 year old girl from certain death, regenerating her kidney. I do not know if there are any accounts of a spell doing these things. But there are accounts of prayer, which moves the hand of God, doing these things, in the distant past and the very present now. The power that Jesus Christ possessed is offered to us by God through the Holy Spirit. This power surpasses any spell or magic. And if you say that spells are just prayers then why corrupt one of God's most powerful gifts.

I have experienced the power of prayer and don't understand why people would settle for second best in magic. It's like trading gold for wood. It just doesn't make sense. One day we will all see Jesus when we leave this world. When we see him we will look at him and say, "That is all i ever need. He is all my heart desired." If we messed around with spells we will think to ourselves why. If we searched for fulfillment elsewhere, we will wonder how we didn't see.

Satan twists the truth and will give you anything to keep you from the salvation of Jesus Christ. If you seek magical power, he will give it to you. As long as it keeps you away from the real thing.

"Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

GREG Feel free to email me at pardonthepunmum@hotmail.com

I am a 14-year-old Christo-Wiccan boy living in Alabama,USA,and(not to brag about myself)a very intuitive person.First of all,I was raised Southern Baptist and have just recently accepted Wiccan ideas.Personally(and not to offend anyone,Christian,Wiccan,or otherwise)I think many of you all are missing many good points.I would like to share a few of my ideas. 1.I believe that Christo-Wiccan is a seperate religion entirely from BOTH Christianity and Wiccan.(Directed to #301) 2.I believe that God is both everything & nothing,male & female(the aspects of both a god & goddess),light & darkness.As God says in the Bible "I am the Alpha and the Omega"(Rev 1:8). 3.I believe that Jesus was God coming to the earth in a divine human form to better connect with humanity and show the correct way to live life. 4.I believe that Jesus died on the cross to show his love for humanity. 5.I believe that hell is only metaphorical,to what I have not figured out,maybe continuous reincarnation that can only be stopped through acceptance of Jesus Christ as saviour. 6.I believe that God is unconditionally loving and forgiving to all his/her children be they plant,animal,or human.And race,gender,creed,or sexual orientation do not matter to God and they are only natural. 7.I believe that magick truly does exist and spells,charms,etc. are not against God they are only his/her greatness working through humanity. 8.I believe that only parts of the Bible are true. 9.I believe that almost all religions are good and generally promote a good path of life. Christians remember the Golen Rule:"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you",and Wiccans remember the Wiccan Rede:"An' ye harm none,do what ye will". P.S. #144 get over it, it's so cliche. Blessed be! ;)

To the person who wrote the "thoughts" segment I have a few questions,

How can you be so sure that it is Satan who is influencing Wiccans? Could not Satan be influencing Christians? After all he seems to be capable of quoting scripture without bursting into flames. (Luke 4:9-11) How is it that someone as evil as Satan can utter a single Word of God? Just curious.

BTW, I have been Pagan most of my life and am now studying the Bible and attending Anglican services. I am struggling with the idea of converting and accepting baptism, I know for certain, though, that if I do convert I will never claim that I was under the influence of Satan when I was practising my first faith.

I'm not even going to tell you what religon I am. I will just tell you this "It doesnt matter what path you follow, all that matters is that you get there" People need to realize that religon is a very personal thing. No 2 people believe in exactly the same thing in exactly the same way. We have scientific proof that humans evolved from apes, we also have scientific proof that jesus was a real person. Think of air. We cant see it, and we can barely feel it. It stil exists. What is a prayer? It is a desire sent forth by one person or a group of people to god. What is a spell? It is a desire sent forth by one person or a group of people to god. All religons point you in the same exact direction. Live a good life. People need to let go of the hatred they feel. God and jesus NEVER tought hatred. That was Satan's doing. In my eyes, too many people here are helping the devil by being intolerant of other people. Don't believe in Satan? Think of Kali and Shiva. The great destroyers. In every religon there is positive and negative forces at work. People need to shed their titles, their fears, and their inhibitions. Love whatever you love, Hate whatever you hate, just keep it inside. Never try to change a person, it isnt your buisness to. Stop fighting. Stop being ignorant, Start being people. We are all people and just remember once, a long time ago, religon didnt exist. Some are older then others. Some are better then others. Some are more tolerant then others. All are differant but All are personal. If someone believes it to be true, and it is true to them, then it is true. End of story. We all have found what works for us, and what makes us happy. I will most likely not come back to this posting. If you feel the need to, e-mail me @ Rustymetal@hotmail.com

i think that if you dont like wiccan or wont talk to wiccans you should keep your own opinions to yourself cause wiccans respect other religions! im new to witchcraft and already iv heard terrible things about it i read some good books and they told the truth! you should check out TEEN WITCH WICCA FOR A NEW GENERATION by Silver RavenWolf even if u dont like witch craft it will show u that witchcraft is not evil blessed be

Funny thing about the bible, as #34 said, it was written by a man. since then, it has been changed SOO many times its not the "oringinal" works of "god". to all the christians out there, why dedicate your life to a book that can never be proved as true? the only real thing people should dedicate themselves to is one simple rule: "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will" which basically translates into, "Before you do something, anything, think about it, would you want the exact same to happen to you?" and if the answer is truly yes, well i don't think anyone should stop you. People of any religion of belief should really realise the real problems like trying to reverse what todays society has done to our planet. have a good look around and realise that in many parts, its not beautiful anymore. its very hard to find somewhere quiet and in nature where it hasnt been destroyed by man. we are all human beings, we all have a voice, so stop saying and start doing, even 1 person can make a difference.

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I am a Catholic Witch.

And no matter what anyone says on either party, it works for me.

I am young, and I don't know everything; however, I have a very open and wordly mind. Until now, I was not very faithful, almost unbelieving; then, by chance, I picked up a book on Wicca. A great deal of it made sense, so I looked into it. I eventually brought it up with my mom, and she said that on her side, there were witches, HOWEVER they still strongly believed in Jesus. My mom didn't practice because she had had a bad experience when she was younger, but now we are growing together.

As for what I actually believe, God, the Almighty Father, is still the supreme power: I just sense him everywhere and in everything now. In Wicca, the supreme power comes in two forms, the Lord and the Lady, neither one being better than the other. My extension (which may be a bit confusing, and I apologise) is that Jesus Christ and his mother Mary are the human manifestations of these two parts of the Almighty- they are still part of Him, but in a more solid, comprehendable form. Now, the Biblical Cannon does seem to portray Jesus as 'holier' than Mary; this is due to the fact that the original Church in the Middle Ages was male dominated and excluded a major book that pertained to Mary's life. IN this sense, you also have a Trinity.

As for the multiple gods/goddesses in the Wiccan religion, they are at the same level as angels.

The one thing I strongly disagree with in Wiccan is the "no-fine-line" between good and evil. As human beings, when can strive to be one, the other, or in between, but I do feel their are beings that naturally good and some that are naturally evil. The greatest example is I do believe there is a fallen angel called Lucifer who rules over Hell and has one heck of a time torturing those who deserve it.

In conclusion, I would like to refer to my post heading- the beat of the heart cannot be dictated. If your heart tells you to believe in it, then by God, believe it in. Do good, and good shall come. If the Almighty Father thought we should all be one way, then we would. But for some divine reason, we are not- we come in multiple colors, appearances, and heritages, creating a beauitful mural of unique ideas and feelings. If we accept who we are and that others are who they are, then we can truly begin to live in peace.

Hi there, I've read through this article a couple of times before and today started working my way through some of the responses. (Not all of them...too many!) I just wanted to post my thoughts on the topic - sorry if it's been posted before! Firstly, just so that you know, I am a 16 y.o girl living in Australia - I used to go to my local (Christian) church every week but gradually pulled away from it turning more towards Wicca. I became interested in Wicca several years ago, it was new and exciting...but best of all, it made perfect sense to me. It just 'felt' right. Upon mentioning it to some of my Christian "friends" (or so I thought...) I was promptly told I was evil, a devil worshipper and I needed to be saved NOW. I asked them to first do a little research on Wicca before they passed judgement. They wouldn't. "I can't read that, it's evil. God says we should only learn the Bible." was their response. Now I know many Christians who live by that rule but it makes me wonder - how can you pass judgement on something you know nothing about? Why do you think God (or who/whatever you believe in) really gave us brains and opinions. Surely they're not there to be wasted? Simply reading something will not convert a person - just give them a more open-mind...and that's not a bad thing. Also, knowing about something doesn't necissarily mean you have to agree with it. But You should accept it for what it truly is. I know about Christianity - I don't particularly agree with all of the religion, but I accept it and it's people...if they are true. I don't have the time of day for so called "Christians" who hide behind their religion and use it as a weapon and/or excuse. I'm sure God isn't too pleased with them either - how can people like that represent such a nice religion? That's what turned me away I guess. People who call themselves Christians, but haven't got a single Christian moral to follow. Sorry I'm going on about this but I just wanted everyone to know what I (and I'm sure many others) think. The Church should sort out the people who are giving them a bad name - they'd find they were alot more popular and maybe then we could all get along? Wouldn't that be nice. :)

I mean you no offense, please read these points as they are indeed VERY valid...

You couldn't be more mistaken, as to the term "Christian Wiccan" and here is why...

I have nothing against the beliefs of Christo-Wiccan. However, their religion bears a dangerous name because it suggests that it is both Christian and Wiccan, when generally it is neither. Many will even insist that they are practicing members of both religions, and that claim has rather insurmountable theological problems.

First, when in doubt, check the dictionary:1 Christianity: the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies Wicca: a religion influenced by pre-Christian beliefs and practices of western Europe that affirms the existence of supernatural power (as magic) and of both male and female deities who inhere in nature, and that emphasizes ritual observance of seasonal and life cycles

The Bible is rooted in the belief that there is a single god that worshippers may worship, a being commonly referred to today as God. There are no other acceptable deities. Wicca, on the other hand, involves the reverence of two deities minimally, a god and a goddess. These are core beliefs of both religions, and they are not compatible. If you worship God alongside a goddess, then you are breaking the commandment to worship only God and denying his existence as the only God. It's like saying "I'll listen to you, but only when I feel like it."

What about Mary? Mary isn't a goddess. Even if you believe that she was based on some older pagan goddess, the Christian Mary is not a goddess. She is a mortal. That is, in fact, part of the point about Mary: she is the mortal mother of a divine child. Worshipping her as a goddess is against Christianity. Worshipping her as a mortal is against Wicca, because the god and goddess of Wicca are complementary and equal. All-knowing, all-powerful God and mortal woman are in no way equal.

What about the Trinity? The Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) is problematic because even many Christians don't think it makes any sense. But even for those who believe in it, the Trinity is ultimately a single being, not three separate beings who happen to be part of some greater power. Moreover, the relationship of the Trinity is not like that of the Wiccan god and goddess. They are not complementary, and they are not gods themselves. You can't just take one theology and smack it down on top of another theology and say "close enough". Again, God commanded that his followers worship no other gods. That includes any smaller gods you may think he is comprised of. Christians never, for instance, worship Jesus (the Son) as a separate deity.

What about the Gnostic goddess Sophia? Gnosticism was branded a heresy by the Christian Church, so calling any Gnostic belief "Christian" is at best pushing definitions tremendously.

Even if you can somehow justify multiple gods in a Christian context, there is a lot more to both religions than just the issue of deities.

Satan - Satan has no place in Wicca. Satan is an embodiment of evil, and supernatural powers within a Wiccan content are intimately a part of nature. The acknowledgment of Satan within a Wiccan context would imply that some part of nature is inherently evil, which Wiccans deny.

Jesus as Savior - Christians believe that Jesus is necessary for salvation because we are by our nature tainted creatures, either because we are corporeal or because of Original Sin (or both), depending on your denomination. Wicca does not accept that we can be tainted because of our mere existence. Any taint that we might bear comes from our own choice of actions, not our nature.

Original Sin - Wicca does not believe that one is held accountable for another's transgressions. Original Sin transmits the guilt of Eve to all of her descendants.

Hell for unbelievers - Wicca's tolerance for other religions makes this a nonsensical concept. And if you don't believe nonbelievers are going to Hell, what exactly is Jesus saving you from?

Evangelizing - One of the duties of Christians is to "spread the Good Word". It's not only a long standing practice - it's Biblical. That doesn't mean force beliefs upon others, but it does mean actively preaching and/or seeking out potential converts, both of which are anathema to Wicca.

Now, you can almost certainly find members of both religions who do not espouse one or more of the above points (the Christian points or the Wiccan counterpoints). The problem is, if you keep making exceptions to the "rules" (for lack of a better term here), you end up with something completely different from the original point of reference.

There is NOTHING wrong with combining certain Christian and Wiccan beliefs into something new. However, if you're creating something new, why insist on labeling yourself something you no longer are? Christianity came from Judaism, but Christians don't claim that they're Jews. If you believe the Trinity to be three separate deities, that's your right. But that is NOT a Christian belief. By insisting on being both Christian and Wiccan, you've committed yourself to two incompatible theologies. Also, there's certainly nothing wrong with bringing certain Christian concepts into your Wiccan practice or certain Wiccan concepts into Christian practice. But neither of these situations results in a "Christian Wiccan".

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While I sit here and read all these comments, I feel I should say something in response, even though it may or may not be taken in the form that it was intended. (My opinions, I am not claiming this to be fact.)

The world is created by energy. Any fifth grader in a science class can tell you that everything and everyone is made up of atoms, tiny particles of energy that move around and in turn let us move around. There isn't a huge pantheon of deities that you have to separate, and worship this one on friday, this one twice a month on the waxing moon, this other one on the second tuesday of July... Deity is like a diamond; after it has been shaped and polished, it has many facets and many colors, many ways of looking at it, but it is still what it was before, a diamond.

There is no right way, there is no wrong way, to live your life. But if you do decide to accept a religion, you should live your life through that religion. If you are going to be a Christian, then truly be one, follow the one Commandment that your Christ gave you - "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" - if you are a Wiccan or a Pagan, then do what you can to better The Whole, whether this is yourself, your family, your community or the world as a whole. That's what your power - your WILL power - was given to you for. There is a reason that you were allowed to make your own choices, that you're not created as a puppet with full strings attached.

Use that gift, do not abuse it. And always remember the old saying, "Keep your words sweet and tender, because someday you may have to eat them."

Blessings, ~*~Lone Wolf~*~ www.wolfpagan.com lone-wolf@adelphia.net

Some coments here are rather sad, like the self-proclaimed pastor blaming Wicca for the actions of his daughter. That is like blaming a movie for someone robbing a bank. As a HUMAM BEING it is important to accept your responsiblity as a parent to your child, if it was not Wicca, you would be easily blaming something else for the actions of your daughter. I know many Catholics that have become Satanists, does that mean that Catholicism leads to self-worship? (As Satanism is NOT the worship of Satan, but the worship of ones own self as a god, Devilworship is the worship and reverence for Satan...these two are often confused as being the same thing.) The actions of one person following a path does NOT represent the path as a whole... That would be like saying all Catholics are child molestors because one Catholic priest decides to violate an alterboy...

Your accusations towards Wicca are highly antiquated and repugnant...

It's much easier to find a scapegoat than take responsibility as a parent.

I personaly practice High Magic something that is deeper than Wicca and dates back much further than the mere 50+ years of the Wiccan path, I am successful, law abiding and treat people with mutual respect, I don't do drugs, I don't drink, nor do I use foul language, I am faithful to my husband and respect everything that life has given me, so I do find this very insulting that you believe that Wicca lead your daughter down the dark path she as chosen, but again, she chose that path, Wicca did not chose it for her, and you as a parent need to be responsible for that, and adult enough to take responsibility for the actions of your child and or children.

I mean you no offense when I say this, but you seem just as malinformed as many Chrisitans are when it comes to Wicca. Wicca is not, I repeat NOT an old practice, nor is it older than Christianity, and no I'm not a Christian, I was born to a Pagan family and have been Pagan for 27 years, and have studied many Pagan paths.

I have found while many people will jump on the mainstream Wiccan wagon, they jump ahead with spells and gods and goddesses and over-look the actual history of the Wiccan path, and why not, when is the last time you actually saw any literature on the TRUE history of Wicca in the United States...

Fortunately for myself I moved to England and it's amazing what you can find in the libaries here, original Wiccan texts that are so important to the library that they are in the reference section and are not availible for checking out, you can only read them in the library...

Now, Gerald Gardener is known as the founding father of Wicca, although his claims of Old Dorothy have NEVER been proven...I hope you know what I'm refering to, as a Wiccan this is stuff you should know. The first documented Wiccan coven was in the 1950s, Wicca did not become an actual religion until around 1953, Wicca is VERY young, and is not ancient, it does however have it's roots in ancient pagan paths and that is ALL, think of Wicca in terms of a recipe, it takes from many pagan paths, Celtic, Norse, Egyptian and many others. Wicca is a baby in religion terms, but this does NOT make it a valid path, Wicca in it's true form is a very valid path with very valid teachings, all one has to do is find the truth.

Want more information about Wicca that has NOT been watered down by such authors as Silver Ravenwolf (and the extremely false Wiccan) Fiona Horne (don't even get me started on her, she is a horrible misrepresentation of the Wiccan path), and Scott Cunningham, go to www.whywiccansuck.com...

Don't let the name fool you, this site was written by a Wiccan, now ex-Wiccan due to being fed up with how Wicca has become more of a parlor game for people to make a profit from, than a serious religious path like it should be. To be honest, there are very few REAL Wiccans out there, and your chances of finding an honest to goodness practicioner of Wicca is extremely rare...

Just a short something to you and many other Christians, I am Pagan, so before Wiccans start screaming at me for what I'm about to say, they should know that I speak from actual study beyond a few little books bought at the local book shop.

Now if one studies their history, they will find out if they know where to look that Christians did NOT burn witches! OK, it never happened! What DID happen is that Christians were burning Christians, or more accurately Catholics burning Protestants...(Protestants, definately NOT Pagan or Witches)

Witches were hung in the gallows folks, and many of these so-called Witches were NOT even witches to being with, in those times people would explain the unexplainable by screaming witchcraft, if their cow would not give milk, it was because the little lady down the street that happened to have a birthmark on her cheek was a Witch and hexed the cow...may sound silly now, but it was very much believed in that era...

The same about the Salem Witch Trials, those people were not witches either, they were all Puritans (Puritans, definately NOT Pagan or Witches), now if any of you know chemistry and know the history of the Puritans and Salem, you will know that the Puritans main source of food was wheat...now there is a fungus called "ergot" that attacks wheat...does anyone know what drug comes from ergot?... I'll tell you, LSD...

If you think I'm joking, look it up, the internet is the information super highway, you're bound to find something on ergot and Salem...

Now think about it, all these people eating wheat that has been contaminated with ergot, ergot even in it's original form will have the same effects as LSD, especially if ingested over a long period of time...a lot of the actions of the people that were accused of witchcraft were actually from them having ergot poisoning.... they heard voices, saw visions, were prone to mad near-psychotic episodes, had seizure-like fits and many other symptoms...sort of like today when someone says that someone that had ingested LSD experienced a "Bad Trip"...

So people stop blaming Christians for the "Burning Times", stop blaming them for things that happened in the past, it's not them who did it, it's not their god that did it, regardless of our religious path we are still human at the end of the day and make the most horrible mistakes, I mean look what is going on now with the war on terror, nothing much has really changed at all when we look at the big picture.

We should all exist as humans, and respect each other for all of us being made of the same basic parts, flesh and blood, we are all the same, religion does NOT make us who we are, it merely defines what we believe, and beliefs should not define our treatment, acceptance and outlook on other people and who they are...doing something like that makes us something really unsavoury....it makes us shallow...

And just so you are aware, the Pagans of the past didn't exactly invite the Christians over for cakes and ale when the conversions started, there was just as much violence from the Pagans as there were from the Christians, the only reason why the Christians had the upper hand is because the Church ruled even higher than the King in Europe, if the Church has the power to over-ride the decision of a king, do you honestly think they don't have the power to over through small villages of Pagan folk? If it was the other way around and the Pagans had more power than the King, do you honestly think they would have been kind to the Christians, I seriously hope you're not nieve enough to say "Yes, they would have been kind to the Christians!"

Stop playing like you're the victim...get over it already! O_o

P.S. I got carried away, guess this isn't so short anymore...sorry! *blush* ^_^

I am a Chrisitian which is in ponder. I believe in God but would like to practice the ways of White Magic. Would some one like to help me out? My e-mail is jesusfollower@godmail.com. I would appreciate it if some one would help me on this subject. But while I am on the note, in the Bible doesn't it state when God created everything he said we, right? So does that mean that there had to be someone else that was with him? Could it be true that there might be a Goddess and a God? Again someone please help me out with this subject. Thanx.

Notes: Sorry if I offened anyone in advance, and I have to say that I love this forum...discussions like these are a blessing for me and are healthy, they give people food for thought...I think by writing this I even figured out a few things for myself...thankees to all.

well, let me see. I'm 18, live on the eastern US Coast(near washington DC), and am getting ready to enter the military (Veterinary Corps, huuah); my mother is catholic, my father is jewish, and I have some leanings toward wicca. I wanted to say that for some of you who are bashing the Christian churches...I was raised catholic, and I got more Bleep(the thinger won't let me say the word) for that from people than I did from my fairly religious mother when I went to talk to her about wicca. Alright, the heart of my matter. I consider myself christian ( a rather confused one, but christian nonetheless) and so far, for the most part, I haven't had issues concerning combining Wiccan and Christian Beliefs. In my (very personal) opinion, all the gods are a manefistation of one being. Many percieve God as a male or female, but I see him/her/it as more of an everything. Allah, God, Jesus (who I think was an extention of the Being onto earth, and who sacrificed himself in an act of unselfish love for us), and one of my favorite aspects, Epona, all eventually go back to that one thing; all maybe aspects or extensions of the being to help him/her/it get organized. I love the natural aspects of wicca, of much of that self reliance that goes with it, especially (and this shows up in catholic doctrines) since God or the Being gave us free will, and as a result, forfeited most ability to mess around with our lives. In general, I believe that one must always attempt to do good and not harm those around them.... I gotta say though, I was kinda annoyed about the person who wrote "wicca cannot coexist with christianity"(138). Man, I'm sorry, but I didn't do it, my parents didn't do it, and neither did their predecessors. The past happenened in th past, mistakes are made, what they did was horribly terribly wrong and inexcusable, and I can tell you now that not a single kid in my sunday school class supported what happened then. The people who were intolerant, those who were destructivley so in the past, and those who are stupidly so in the present, are wrong, but don't run around and hurl those generalizations out. It's stupid, intolerant, insulting, and it makes you sound as big an dummy as those who have hurt you. And do try to remeber the versatility of wicca. to number #60(the false witness guy)...whoa...dude...hold on there. I am a good stout believer in God (I am just going to call the him/her/it that for now, it's short and easier.) God made me, made the rules, make anything and everything. My power, if any comes from god, and I'm sure will go back when I die. I haven;t figured out the whole satan thing, that's one I need to work on, probably for the next couple of years, but I do agree that there is some evil out there, though it may stem more from humans than anything else...i dunno...this is more difficult for me than the wicca vs christianity vs judaism thing...strive to be as good as you can and then you don't have to worry about evil, maybe...that sounds like an idea to me. for #293, you just about pulled the same stuff as those intolerant individuals who say things like 'nothing else exhists but the one male God from the bible' or 'God is the only one, you are all wrong...' or, people like...#288. I dunno, maybe I'm intolerant of intolerance...and that is a fault...God knows I lived with it all my life in one form or another. It angers me to no end, bad me. I have just always felt that a good natured discussion or even a healthy debate (which is really a fun argument) is more likley to turn heads than a must, must, must. #288, God isn't going anywere, isn't going to be 'lost'. in my own humble opinion(which may very well be wrong), God gave us all a little from him/her/it, and what He/She/It gave should be used and cherished, and it was probably given because God did give us that freedom of will. Eve may have sinned, but in doing so, she gave us the right to natter so delightfully about subjects such as these. Methinks that is it for me.

well i just want to say that I love God with all of my heart, i didn't read the all the posts because there are so many, but anywho God is awesome and being christian isn't just a lifestyle or a way to be a different, it's a personal relationship I have with Christ. Christ has given me a sense of love and acceptance, and you know what i realy don't care what others think of me. I'm only 17 years old and they said the hardest times to be a Christian is in high school but i'm doing great. Sometimes i wish there wasn't any religions, all we need to do is follow the Bible 100% not 99.9 but all the way. There is a verse that says something like "You're either hot or cold, and if you are luke worm i'll spit you out" that just shows that we can't follow Christ and serve someone else weither it be satan or someother thing. Praising God isn't doing rituals or cieting prayer it's about a sincere heart. you don't need to do rituals to praise God. I do believe in Satan and the evil things he does and i just know through feverent prayer and a rightoues heart and willing people to preach God's gospel satan will be defeated. For all the Christians i think we need to stop just talking stuff and actually do something. Well i guess that's all i have to say but take care and God bless. oh and if anyone wants to email you can, i am open on sharing my beliefs and whatever i can help you with. i love you all christian, wiccan, buddaist (however you spell it), jehova witness, atheist, and everyone and so does God. for the christians out ther rememeber "hate the sin, not the sinner". oh for the person who was critizing the other person for not speeling stufff right and stuff i apologize for my grammer.

would satan really use he's forces through witches and warlocks (which i really do believe exist), I think he comes in innocent forms like tv, music, movies, whatever. The devil is really smart he's not stupid and , even though i want to say satan is really stupid, on the contrary he's smart. but satan will also use witches and other stuff but the greatest evil comes digused in everyday normal things. oh and as for the appearence of satan, i thought it said in the bible that he was a really goodlooking person, not a red guy with horns and a pitch fork.

I would just like to say that this article was very intersting and one of the more possitive perspectives of Wiccans from Christians but the religions are completly different from each other. If people could just keep their religions to themselves and not try to convert or argue over which one is better then there would be a lot less conflict in the world. the problem w/ Christians is that they just can't seem to let others (espealialy wiccans) practice their own religions in peace w/ out trying to convert us or harrassing us. just my opinion :)

I am a follower of Jesus Christ I dare you to ask Jesus Christ the only son of God to reveal himself to you. For you do not understand the power that only comes from Jesus. Jesus is alive he is risen there is a hell seek Jesus now while he still may be found. I pray that you will know the TRUTH and the Truth will set you free.

--Failing Miserably. I don't understand how a person can claim to be Christian-Wiccan or Catholic-Pagan or whatever. There are aspects of both religions that completely oppose each other. If you're Wiccan and you beleive in [the Christian] God, do you beleive that he is equal to all the other Pagan Gods/Goddesses [eg. Pan or Diana or Epona etc.]? Or if you are Christian, one of the commandments you are supposed to live by is [roughly translated] 'Don't Worship Other Gods!' And what of The Devil? Christians beleive that he is God/Jesus's enemy; Wiccans deny his existance completely. Each religion has different views about sexual practices, and what is appropriate in this aspect. How do you combine two or more religions that oppose each other and make it work? My advice is to avoid having to do so. Make a choice, even if it's difficult. If you don't you could end up screwing up not only your spirituality, but your whole life. If you are reading this and can suggest a way to combine Heathen-based and Non-Heathen-based religions fairly, please email me at esrever_96@hotmail.com. And please: THINK before you start playing god [no pun intended] with sacred religions.

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Frankly. Not to offend anyone. But to the person who posted "Thoughts". I believe you are wrong. For in which. 1. I am a Christian "witch/warlock" w/e. I beleive in God. I accept Jesus Christ as my savoir. I beleive he died on the cross for the worlds sins and that he is Lord. :) 2. I worship the "Christian God -aka- GOD" before any other known. EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO MAGICK ITSELF,THAT AND THAT ONLY.

I agree with the bible ALMOST 100% entirely. A few things I don't beleive(and trust me there aren't many) 1. Foul Language.Not a sin/bad in anyway. Its expressing yourself in your own way. 2. I DO NOT beleive magick is evil. Black Magick...Yes Very. White Magick and the "Other" No. In no way or fashion. 3.An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth....Bullcrap.The Bible Says and I quote "Thou Shalt Not Kill" And I've picked which one I beleive in more.

I have the same views as you christians. I am not Wiccan,Satanic,Buddhist, or anything but Christian. But I do have a few diff beleifs as you can see.

And For those who would flatly come out and call me "Wiccan,Satanic or w/e" Well You don't know anything about me but what I have said here. So don't Judge me. Only God can pass Judgement on me.

I am what I am. I don't hate myself for it. Or hold anyone else accountable for my beliefs.And Frankly If my beliefs are evil. Then I will pay for my so called "sins" of magick and language. If God does not beleive I am evil. Then in fact. I will see you in heaven and laugh in your face and tell you "See. Told you so. I'm not evil. and God didn't think my beliefs we're either.Otherwise You wouldn't see me here.

If I offended anyone with my 2-cents. I do apologize. I am simply stating a correct response to "Thoughts" on magick and christianity ect ect. That is what I think and beleive, and I said. If God thinks it's evil. Then I will pay for it. If not. Then I'll see you there. :) Thanks for reading what I had to say. ^_^ Beleive what I said or not. Judge me if you want. Care or Care Not. Cause I don't. ^_^

I was born a catholic but I disovered wicca last year. I am grade 7 now. Look, i just want to say that both religions are fine. The only time that i have a problem with christins is when they insult ME and start saying that i worship satan. I have found wicca to be fantastic and i think that until those people (not just christians even athiests can start on the satan thing) learn what wicca really is and not just all the slash-yourarms-and-sacrifice-your-pet stuff they shouldn't sayanything. on the other hand, wiccans shouldn't start at christians for the witch hunting times - it's not like the poor person youre yelling at did anything!!! Blessed be. lozza

To that person who wrote thoughts(#287) i found it interesting to say the least. I am a wiccan but onl for one year and i was raised as a catholic. I think that you are great, that you can say what you think without completely insuling us. I even think that what you are saying could be true. But that is the thing - it might be true. Until there is undeniable evidence that your devil has some master plan to take over the world using witches as soldiers I for one will continue to practise my faith. But I did just have to say that it defineatly was thought provoking and it was great that you weren't doing a burn the witch thing (even though it was slightly obvious that was what you were trying to say nicely)

Whoever said that Satan is real is a complete and total idiot. I mean you obviously scared yourself. You know you make your own evil right.

First off let me state, I was raised Southern Baptist... That's right in the good ole Bible belt in the USA south!!! The reason I got away from the beliefs I was taught is that Christian way is to accuse all other denomination of going to hell in a hand bag because they believe different then they do... Now my question is this if there denomination is the only one going to heaven then what happens to all the other denominations that believe in the same Jesus Christ? Doesn't that sound like they feel like a supreme they are the only one in the know? Well chew on this Guest!!! King Solomon was a Witch he asked God for wisdom to control the Spirits.... So do you believe in your King James Bible or NOT!!!!!!

I'm not sure why I'm leaving this reply. It won't change any of your minds, but after reading so many of the comments that came previously, I felt an overwhelming urge to add my thoughts.

Christianity has some core points of doctrine that differentiate the Christian faith from any other religion in the world. Most of the main points have already been mentioned, but despite what many have said, the Wiccan church does NOT have the same beliefs as Christians. It is NOT possible to be a Christian witch. Let me explain why.

You wiccans have claimed to accept the deity of God and Christ, and even to accept the Trinity. I'm afraid that there is an unbridgable breach between Christians and Wiccans (at least only God may bridge it), for you mean something quite different by "deity" than we do. (You Christians must understand this.) So, I am going to steer clear of the term "deity."

When Christians speak of God, we do not mean that he is some benevolent force or even a mere personality that can effect an influence in our lives. God is GOD. Simply that. To acknowledge Him as God means to surrender your life to His guidance, and do what He says. Clearly, the Scriptures forbid any practice of magic, or sorcery. The incantation of spells, indeed seeking any power outside of God Himself is quite forbidden. It's spelled out in black and white in the Bible. There's no getting around it. You don't have to agree with it, but don't claim to be a Christian if you contradict His words in the very same breath.

Here's a few other points of doctrine:

Jesus Christ was fully God and man, the son of God, and an equal member of the Trinity. He was not a "good man" only, but God Himself. He did NOT teach the same things as Buddha and others. They may sound the same on the surface, but that is only because Satan (the father of lies) cannot invent or create anything himself (for it is not in his nature) but may twist only. He starts with the truth, and changes subtle parts enough to make it wrong, but not enough to make it odious. The most effective lies are more easily swallowed because they are closer to the truth. Jesus DID come to earth to die for the sins of the world. But that is not a blanket pardon, and does NOT mean that you can take any path you want to reach God. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME." (Emphasis mine.)

There are no other deities besides God. There are angels, but they were created by Him, and are beneath Him. The angels serve Him, the fallen angels are called demons, and serve Satan. God said "Is there anyone like Me? I know of none." (That's not an exact quote, because I can't remember it. But words to that effect. :) )

This is growing quite long, so I shall end it now (though it is not nearly as long as some posts I have seen, but I have other things to do.)

My main point is this: I consider the Wiccan "faith" to be a lie from Satan. I apologize to the Wiccans I offend when I say that. You say you don't worship Satan. I believe you, at least so far as the names go. But do you think Satan would present himself to you as Satan? His lie to you is effective because he makes it seem like the truth. He is providing for you a substitute (albeit a poor one) for a relationship with your Creator. Does he care if you use his name in chants? Not as long as he keeps you from Christ. That is the goal. Even using Christ's name is OK with him as long as you don't really come to believe it.

If you believe in your heart Jesus as Lord, and confess with your mouth that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. (Romans 10:9)

The key here is that Christ becomes your LORD. That means He rules your life. Wiccans cannot (I suspect) honestly say that they are lead by Christ from day to day. (Though I suspect more than one would testify to being led by some spirit claiming to be Christ.)

To all the Wiccans who have posted: Yes, Christ Jesus loves you, and so do the true Christians, the adopted children of God. That doesn't mean we let you continue in error. :) Truth must be told (in love.)

To the Christians who have posted: Please try to learn more about your faith! Learning about the Wiccan faith is not as necessary as they would have you believe. Christ never encouraged studying the Roman and Greek gods to witness to the people of His day. Truth is all that is needed. It will illuminate the darkness, and light the way for all who may to come. Do not be apologetic about being Christians, or having beliefs. (Not even when people bring up the past.) It is useless to argue whether the people who burned witches were right or wrong, or were Christians, or only pretending to be. The fact is that it happened, that it is in the past, and that those people who did such things are not the people who are alive today. Don't even argue at all, but be like Paul who said that he determined to "... know nothing among you but Christ, and Him crucified ..."

In conclusion ...

Christians are people, just like anyone else, and are sinners just like anyone else. Any individual can make mistakes, and groups of individuals can commit heinous acts against their fellow humans. What is important is that God Himself does not error. He does not sin, is not tempted by sin, nor does He tempt anyone. And God does not have any equal, and if some spirit claims to be an equal of God, or a counterpart of Him, that spirit lies.

Christians, be careful witnessing to Wiccans, and in trying to understand what they believe. Whether they will admit it or not, the world they live in is an extremely dangerous one. You must commit your lives to Christ, and depend on Him for the words to say. Remember that you cannot change anyone's heart. Only God can do that. But magic, and witches are very real. They cannot harm you if you are protected by God, but you can be deceived if you allow yourself to be misled.

May the true God (who has no equal) bless and keep you all. He is real, not some idealic, mystical force. And if you accept Him, He WILL change your life. And no, there will be no room for magic or spells when He does. When you are a child of His, you don't need such things though, so you won't miss them. :)

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It is generally considered rude to critique spelling in an online post, as most are simply typos as we try to type as fast as we would talk, but when a Christian cannot even spell the name of his own faith, not once but twice, I Have to point it out.

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I'd like to quote from the Onario Consultants on Religious Tolerance:

" Tolerance has no direct connection to truth. Imagine a situation where you are a conservative Christian and know that you follow the only true religion. Your neighbor is a Muslim, and he also knows that he has the truth. You allow the Muslim to freely follow his religion without hindrance. You still regard him as being in error. He continues to regard you as being in error. But you both agree